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THEN I discovered your site, quite by accident really. I didn't see her listed, but you can bet I've seen the letters before AND I recognized quite a few of the girls. Her wishes and things match what the " 9 Simple Rules" say about Russian ladies. Thom (USA)
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I just came across your site. I wish I had seen this site sooner and avoided another little rip in my heart. Thanks again for this site. You are doing good things. And to you women who are doing this kind of thing, stop playing this game. Some of us men have been through a lot in previous relationships and don't need to have our hearts hurt anymore. Bill
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Nataliya Cheroy_(Novosibirsk_Russia) I am a 39 year old, divorced father of three. I am an American, white, and a teacher. I originally was contacted by Nataliya via Yahoo Personals. This occurred on June 22nd, 2004. It was a form letter, and precisely the same letter that I had gotten from three others who are listed on your site. I responded kindly, thinking this is some sort of joke and that it would end soon. I decided to play her little game. Of course, the next letter was a form letter as well. She talked about her city, and her " Internet cafe' " ( which, incidentally, is also in Ekaterinaburg and Ivanovov ) and other things. There were, however, personal things that she did write in it in response to my letter. On June 27th she wrote another letter in response to mine. She did not answer a single question that I had asked, but she did say she was rather fluent in English. This is important later on. On the 29th of June she did respond to my letter and answered some of my questions. This was the first " real " letter I had gotten. It made me question whether this was a scam or not. On July 1st I received another form letter! This was in response to a detailed analysis of Acrocathosaurus that I cut and pasted from a Science website. I replied with a real letter, and received a response on July 3rd which was again, pretty much a form letter. I replied with a real letter again she replied with a " real " letter on July the 5th. On July the 7th she replied with a " feelings " letter. You can imagine my response to this. But I replied that I didn't really know how I felt, and told her how pretty the stars were in the country without pollution and all. Her response was on July the 9th and it was " real " because she answered some of my questions. Her response to the stars was a puzzle though. THEN I discovered your site, quite by accident really. I didn't see her listed, but you can bet I've seen the letters before AND I recognized quite a few of the girls. I wrote a vehement response to Nataliya, demanding to know what she was really up to. I copied three letters that were the same and highlighted the parts that were absolutely precise. I thought that it was over at that point. But she responded. In her response was an admission that her English was not good. My analysis is that she does not speak any English well, if at all. I wrote back IN RUSSIAN. I speak the language. She did not respond. The encoding is different, and I resent my letter in Russian saying how " neculturny " it was to try to trick me. That her deceit ( maskirovka ) was wrong. She wrote back stating she received no letters. I had gotten read receipts from them. Well, to sum up she continues to write to me, and then says how much the Visa and train ticket cost. I checked it out, she is absolutely correct about the cost for a B2 Visa and a train ticket, 2nd class from Novosibirsk to Moscow. I'll send no money. I don't know if this is a scam or not, to tell the truth. She seems honest enough when pressed. Her wishes and things match what the " 9 Simple Rules" say about Russian ladies. Her pictures do not look made up or overtly sexual. In short, she seems like a nice lady. On the other hand, there are way to many things that just don't seem right. However, to date she has not actually asked me for anything. Her e - mail is: prekrasnayalady@yandex.ru. To help some of ya'll, I have found a free little translator on line. It is at http://plugin.imtranslator.com and again, it is free. Here are her letters and I am attaching her pictures. Gentlemen, be careful! Zdarovnia to you all! Nataliya's Address: 5-7 Lesnaya str., Novosibirsk, 630116, Russia. Letters: June 22 Hello! I have seen your profile and your photo and I liked what I seen! I think that you are interesting person. So I decided to use the chance to get to know you better. Hope I will be lucky now. The most important for me what is inside you and how do you feel about the life. I know this life from many sides and I am rather mature already to know how to make a man happy. Life is too short to use it only for thinking and dreaming. I try to act but not only to dream. I will not write you much about myself now. I will just give you an idea of who I am. My name is Nataliya. I live in Russia. I'm 26 years old. I want to meet serious man who would be like to have strong and loving family in the future. I never have married, and I have not boy friend at this stage of my life. I work to earn for my living. I have a higher education and I am rather intelligent. The only one I miss is a beloved person and I want to have a family. I have really many interests: music, reading, books, computers, movies, good conversations, sports and many other things which make the life wonderful. I like beautiful clothes and things. I can't say that I have many friends. I know many people but I am very picky about the friends. Friend is a person who will be with me all my life. And I am lucky to have some really good friends. But I am very sociable that is why there are many people I have good relations with. I am rather independent. And work to be able to pay for the things I want to have in my life. In some words I can tell you, that I enjoy the life as it is and I love the life with all its aspects. I am very kind (I am not boasting :-)) which hurts me often. But I am strong enough to overcome the hardships on my way. Well, now it is up to you to decide to write me or not. I don't know if you answer me or not but why not to try? I will regret if not to try. I think we should use every chance to find our happiness. You can write to me on my personal e-mail: "prekrasnayalady (AT) yandex (DOT) ru" I shall tell you in more detail about myself and my plans for the future. I still hope for your reply. Best regards to you!!!!!!! Nataliya. June 26 Hi Thom! Honestly speaking, I was very surprised that you have answered me. Now I understand that people in your country are really responsible! But I want to be honest with you. I have a very close girlfriend. Her name is Katya. She has made me go to the computer club and to find my soul mate in the Internet. I have written to you because you were in list the most suitable people for me and I loved your photo. In general I wanted to write nobody. I understand that she wants me to find happiness, but, frankly speaking, I am not sure that it is possible to find happiness in Internet. I even did not think that you will answer me. May be, is it the fate? What do you think of it? Today I have come to the computer club and send you my photo and I hope, that you will like it. I saw your photo and I liked what I saw in it!!! Thank you for this and I hope you will be able to send me else. And so if you have interest in me after this letter, then I shall glad to know you better. We can become the friends, but, may be, and more. Time will show. Would you like to become my friend? Well, my name is Nataliya, I am 26 years old and I was born on March 7, 1978. I live in Russia, the city of Novosibirsk. It is not big but very beautiful and cozy city. I have brown eyes and wavy hair. But I try to change my image often since I always like to be different. In life I am very cheerful person and I have very responsible work. I work as a waitress in the local bar and I never should make a mistake neither in work nor in life. I am responsible person, I think, that the person should concerns about associates so how want that concerned about him. What do you think of it? I'm very glad you know our language. If you interest it i can give you new knowledge about our language. If you come here, you will find an ensemble of different architecture here. There are also theatres, cinemas, cafes and many other cute places. Though I have a higher education, I can't find job on my profession that is why I work there to be more independent. My parents are on pension already. But pensions are so small that my father works sometimes a watchman in the car park. And now I would like to ask you some questions. Tell me more about yourself, please, everything you want me to know. Where do you live, what place do you work in? Tell me about your parents. Everything you write me will be interesting for me. Unfortunately, I don't have a phone and computer that is why I use the service of the Internet-Cafe that is why sometimes delays can be in my replies. I hope you understand me. Waiting for your reply. Nataliya. June 27 Hello Thom!!! I am happy to hear from you again. How are you? Hope everything is Ok. In this letter I will try to tell you more about my life style. I like music, reading, movies very much. I often meet with my friends. Sometimes we go to the cinema or to the theatre. But sometimes I prefer just to stay at home, to read an interesting magazine or just to watch TV. I am fond of languages, I had a course of English in the University so I speak English rather fluently. I like to visit a sports hall. I engage in aerobics 2 times a week. And do you have any hobbies, what do you like and dislike? ~ Thom, here it is else a little about myself: my height is 171 centimeters (5 feet and 7 in), and I weigh 48 kilograms (105 pounds). I have never been to other countries and I have no friends from other country. I have never been married and have no children. Thom, you know, I decided to use the service of the Internet because I have a dream to create a family. It is my first experience of acquaintance through the Internet, but I have liked this way very much because I was answered by so good man. I hope you have already understood that I bear you in mind. I think what between man and woman always must be a confidence and consent. I do not understand the men, who are jealous, in Russia such men plenty of and I dislikes this men. I think that if man and woman together and they cut the mustard each other, that they no need in other man. Unfortunately I was not able to find a man here in Russia. They don't care about their women but I dream about a loving and care man. I would give him all of my love and tenderness in return. Well, I will close here for now. Waiting impatiently for your next letter. I send to you my air kiss. Have a good day. Your Nataliya! June 29 Hi dear Thom!!! Again I have come to the Internet cafe just to get a letter from you. It always brings me so much joy to read what you write me, about your life there. For begining I want to say you: I was disappoint in russian mens because there are many crude and unresponsive mens in my country. I don't know why they are so agressive! I would like to get your little cartoon because i have not it!! Thom, may be I should tell you more about my job. As I already told you I work as a waitress in the a bar which is called Red Tub. It is a special bar for sport's rooters. In our bar have different kinds of sport too like football, hockey. I like different sports! You have soccer (American football) and in Russia we have English football which is very popular in Europe. In general I like my job, I see and communicate with many interesting people there. But it is a hard work because I have to stay there till late and walk from one place to another. But this job allows me to have an independent life and to make some money for my living. So Thom, I don't want to complain. It is better to work in such a place than not to have any work at all. I don't know, may be in the future I shall want to visit you Thom, and possible I will come to you some day but first of all we should get to know each other better with the help of the letters. Thom, I would like to come to you some day as your guest so you could see if you like me or not. If you like me and we feel that we are compatible, that we could be happy with each other, I would like to be your life partner and to stay with you, Thom. As we talk about work, tell me please, more about your working day. It will be really interesting for me. And now Thom, I need to say good-bye!!! Till next time. Nataliya! June 30 Hi deat Thom! Did you get my letter "About work"? And I forgot to say you my lastname. It's Charoy.. So I wait your answer! Bye, bye and kiss you !! July 1st Hello dear Thom!!! As always I came to the Internet Center with a great pleasure. I like to get to know more and more about you. I wan to know about you as much as possible. It makes me closer to you. ~ Dear, how do you usually rest? What do you do? What is your most favorite thing? As for me, mostly I like an active rest somewhere in the nature. In summer we often go to the country side and to the houses of rest. We have a very beautiful nature and it is such a pleasure early in the morning to go to the forest, to breath the fresh air, to hear the sound of the wind. You see, I am a little bit romantic. I like to be with my friends though I have only few of them, they are true friends and we always support each other in everything. I wrote you before a little bit about city. It is really very nice. You know it is very beautiful here in Summer. There is a central park here where I like to walk when I go to work. Also the architecture of it is very interesting. There is a Drama Theatre which impresses me with its power. I like to go there when there is a new season. Also you can find lots of memorials there. And my city is very green and clean, there are many trees here and people care about them. So you can enjoy the beauty when you walk through it. And what about you, are there any interesting places in your city? Can you tell me about them. I am just interested in everything connected with you. Miss your letters. With many kisses, Nataliya! July 3rd Hello my dear Thom!!! I so happy to get your letter! Today when I went to write you, I thought about us. I thought that it is very strange what to happen between you and me! I know you only via letters but I already have the feeling for you and I want to get your letters very much. I am glad that we had possibility to meet each other and that we grow our feeling and attitude. I want to ask you. Thom, do you have seriously feeling to me or this is game for you? I hope to get sincerely answer because my feeling to you very seriously and I think that I have right to know true. I'll give you my home address, may be someday you'll need it. Even so I think that it is not so convenient to use mail, as it seems to me, first letters will go very long, and there is an every prospect, that the letter will be stolen, it is possible because there is much larceny in our country. I think that it is easier to communicate through the Internet; in general I think that the Internet is great achievement of mankind, because people from two different ends of a world have possibility to contact with each other. I have to tell to Internet thank that I have got acquainted with such man as you. It very pleasant for me to receive from you the letter, I begin to rejoice life, and this pleasure is connected by that we have found each other. I feel so tired from the life here and you are the only one who warms me and gives me strength to live. The life in Russia is so difficult and though we got used to it sometimes I feel so unsafe and tired from everything. But I am lucky one to get $90 a month. This money allows me to go to the Internet cafe to send you letters and to get yours. It is the only one thing in my life which makes me happy. I miss so much being without your letters. And the Internet-cafe is the only one place where I can communicate with you. Unfortunately, I can't afford myself to buy a computer as it costs for about 500-700 dollars and it is too much for me. Not so many people in our town can afford to buy a computer. Well, enough complaining... May be you will tell me about the life in your country Thom, it will cheer me up. Also I would like to have your mail address for some case. And this is mine: 5-7 Lesnaya str., Novosibirsk, 630116, Russia. May be you will need it Thom. I want to hear from you so much... Many kisses to my dear Thom from Nataliya!!!!!!!!!!! July 5th Hello my darling Thom!!!!! I congratulate you with National Holiday of Independence!!!!!!!! You can't imagine, as far as happy you makes me by the letters. I read and re-read your letters and I am so happy that I am able to communicate with you. You are very interesting person with high intelligence and sense of humor. I think many women try to win your heart. In Russia speak's: " way to the heart of the man lays through his stomach ". If I could prepare supper for you, I'll certain win your heart. I hope, sometime, I'll prepare supper for you. I don't want to brag, but my grandmother learned me for preparing food. I want to tell you, that I have attached to you very much. I can't explain my feelings, but I grieve very much without you, it's at first time for me, because we didn't meet still. I think, I starting to love you. I hope, it doesn't frighten you, because speak not so long time. But in such man as you any woman fall in love in some days of dialogue!!! I can speak for a long time about my feelings, but I don't want to disturb you by my ideas, maybe, they'll seem silly for you. How are you? It's no changes in my life. All days are similar, only your letters bring pleasure in my severe everyday lives. At last I want to say you: I am very intresting in America.. Tell me about culture your country, about people who lives there! About America in our days, what good and bad moments in your country for people? How people celeprate National Holiday?? I wait your letter. With love your Nataliya!!! July 7th Hello my light Thom!!! I don't want to frighten you, but understand me please; I need to know your intentions to me. I don't want to wound my heart. I wrote to you in the last letter about filling my heart feeling of love to you, today, at night I think for a long time, I feel love to you. Such situation wasn't with me before, I don't know when it has come to me, but I can't without your letters any more. I wait for the moment when I'll receive the letter from you with great impatience. I want that you'll write about your feelings to me. And if your intentions are serious, and you as well as I wants to meet for learning each other, write me and we'll start to decide this problem. You'll arrive to me, or I arrive to you, we'll decide further. You know, I am very sensual woman and if your intentions are not serious stop write to me please, I am afraid that my heart will be broken and I'll suffer for a long time. I know that you are good person and you will fairly answer on my question, I am only afraid, and that you don't have such feelings to me. We could meet and then decide how we are necessary to each other. I don't afraid that after our meeting you reject me, but I'll damn myself up to the end of my life that I and haven't met with you. May be is it fate!?! So you'll decide. I have completely opened for you. I'll wait for your following letter with impatience. Million kisses to Thom from Nataliya! July 9th Hello my lovely Thom!!! I just can not find words of the pleasure. I am so happy that I have found you in this huge world. You are the unique man whom I can tell all ideas and dreams. When I write you the letter, I have something in my soul such that it is impossible to explain, it is necessary to feel. Already several days I just sit near the table in my home and reread your letters. And all time I think of that how to see you. I imagine how you hold my hand on the beach; how you hug me, and I feel myself loved by the important man for me. Mother looks at me with a kind smile and tell that she is happy to see me such what I now. I am and myself happy, that again I write you the letter. It is filled with all my love and tenderness to you. I never was such happy in my life!!! It's very good solar weather here. And the main thing is that YOU are!!!!!!!!! I have such strange feeling inside. I grieve without you awfully. I need you very much. I want to be with you, to give you all heat and tenderness which for a long time I saved inside me. I love you!!! I love you!!! I am ready to shout about it for the whole world. I want so much to see you near with me, but it is very bad that it is impossible now. Now I constantly watch news hoping to learn something about your country. With much interest I study English. Furthermore, it is very interesting for me, also I need it. In general, it is interesting for me to study all that is unknown for me. In total certainly to not learn, but it seems to me that it is better to know about all slightly than all about the little. And consequently each dialogue with the person for me is lesson. But the most important dialogue for me is when I communicate with you. I want to know your ideas, reasoning, to know about you insofar it is possible. When I began to correspond with you I even did not hope that we'll have so good relations. With each your letter I understood that I have found man who is important for me. I want to hug you tenderly. I consider that exactly creation of a spiritual emotional basis of the person is a purpose sense of creation of family. I want to tell you that my feelings and words to you are always sincere and I always understood that we put a lot of trust that our union would be in real one day. I want to tell you that my aunt, living in Moscow, has girlfriend who works in embassy of your country. There is not embassy of your country in my city. Her girlfriend can help us to meet in person. I can get in touch with my aunt ask her about the visa. What do you think of it? Write to me about yourself. Is all good with you??? My parents send a regards to you. I send you a photo, where we are together. They are very glad, that I am happy. You wrote me about stars so beautifully!! I see this stars too, I hope there is two stars, it's I and you, we created to shine each other, to love!.. We should be connected and to shine stronger!! In your letters I got your pictures and vcard only! In internet cafe I have Avi, mp3, jpg, bmp, pcd and be else, but I don't know it! With love your Nataliya! July 10th - In response to my indignant letter about a scam It is surprises me, but I want to say you that one day I have applyed for help in the agent of translaters, and there I have got translater, He helps me to write the letters because my English is not so well.. Tell me now , what letters you look me? Where did you got it. If you think I am con, You can, don't write me. :( But my feelings are honest and strong to you.I With many kisses and love to you, your Natalya! July 13th - Claims no letter but I have read reciepts on both Hello dear Thom! I am distressed that I have gone to the Internet-cafe and have not got your letter. Where are you? I look forward to your letter. I miss you. Nataliya! July 14th - Feelings letter Hi sunshine Thom!!! I am very glad to get your letter. Thom, I have to tell you that now I could get in touch with my aunt. She has told me that recently she helped again one woman to make the visa. She has explained me how I can find her girlfriend from the embassy. I'll try to get in touch with her and then I'll write you about the visa, ok. So, how are you today? I hope you are ok. As for me, I am fine. I feel myself so sad without you here. I have such a strange feeling inside of me. I miss you badly. I need you so much. It is not just words. It is what I feel now. I think about you all the time. I have never had this before. I haven't seen you face to face yet but I already can't live without you, your letters. I want to touch you, to feel your warmth and tenderness... I love you. I love you Thom!!!!!!!! I hope you are not scared. It is strange for me too. But I can assure you that it is true. I am afraid to ask you this, but what do you feel? It is very important for me. It is better to know the bitter true for me than the sweet lie... So, please, tell me about your feelings. And I think it is already time for us to decide what to do... I could come to you and I think it is the best variant for us. Life in Russia is very dangerous. I don't want you to have any problems here. You never know what will be the other minute here. So, I will get to know everything about visa and how I could come to you. And I will write you about it in my next letter. With love your Nataliya! July 15th Hi, sweetheart Thom!!!!!!! I love you very much. I had a dream about us last night and I am still under impression. We were somewhere near the sea. Just imagine this place: blue water, white sand and sun is shining all the time. We are swimming, kissing each other. Than you take my hand and we are going to the hotel. It is a very beautiful place. Our room is full of exotic flowers, soft music is playing there, you open the bottle of champagne, it is so cold. Then you kiss me, you are so passionate and hot... You put away my dress and continue to kiss me. Then there is a long and sweet night. We have been making love for the eternity. Then we go to walk on the beach holding hands, looking at the stars on the dark sky. It is so peaceful there and we enjoy each other. It was our paradise, only for us and as soon as we meet I shall do all possible you to be happy with me. Love you very much. Only your Nataliya!! July 15th - The VISA Hello my sweetheart Thom! In your letters I see a lot of your love to me. I appreciate it so much. But you should know how it is difficult for me to write you this letter. Today I could get in touch with my aunt's friend, who works in embassy in Moscow and have learned how I can get the visa and arrive to you. She has told me that the best variant and more available for me will be the registration of the tourist visa (B-2), its validity is 90 days from the date of arrival to your country, but I was very frustrated when I heard its price, it costs 179 American dollars. When I heard this price, tears flowed on my cheeks. I have explained her that Thom is man, without whom I can not live and I wanted so much her to see and understand how I love you so much. But she answered me that she understands everything but she can do nothing because rules are rules and other any way is impossible. Also I'll need to go to Moscow. Ticket to Moscow cost 132 dollars. I think Thom, that our meeting in person is impossible. It is very much money for me. I got accustomed to make money with right way. I can not thieve, defraud, lie and trade my body. I make approximately 90 dollars per month. This money is a little, but I never make money with bad way. I love you, Thom and do not want to lose you! I miss you so much! With great love your Nataliya!
Hi. I just came across your site. About a week or two after narrowly avoiding a scam. I wish I had seen this site sooner and avoided another little rip in my heart. I am a 36 year old divorced male with 3 children who don't live with me. My profile is on americansingles.com. I don't get a whole lot of responses there yet, as I have only been actively searching for a couple of months. I thought a dream had come true when I received an in-site message from a very beautiful woman asking me to contact her at febriline@bk.ru. I wrote from my Yahoo email account and hoped for the best. What was strange was that the next day, I received her reply PLUS 2 more letters from women in Russia seeking to "get to know me". I had never heard of nor seen these women before. I shrugged it off. Olena went by the screen name of kapriskaa on Americansingles (which is no longer "active"). What followed was about a month of sending emails back and forth. I thought it strange that a lot of my specific questions went unanswered. She would use my name in the emails and answer a couple of questions, like when I talked about my favorite TV show (which she said she also liked) and my favorite books (which she said she had never read). But, even though the specific questions were not answered, I shrugged it off and said that it was a language thing. It was, however, comforting to me that in her first letter to me, she warned me of Russian women money scams. So, I thought she was real and poured out my heart and shared my dreams. After a "getting to know each other" time had passed, she admitted that she was falling in love with me and wanted to meet me. My heart skipped a beat or two. How lucky was I? A beautiful woman like her wanting to be with me?? I told her that I was starting to feel the same way and would love to meet her. She said she had a friend who could help her get a visa pushed through in two or three weeks. She wrote a week later and said that it was done with the visa, but she checked on ticket prices and found that it was quite a bit. But not to worry. It was her problem, not mine. I said, "That's good, because as I've told you, I have no money. The divorce is cleaning me out pretty good. However long it takes you to come up with the money, I am willing to wait." Well, the next letter I got was her telling me she was so happy that I had offered to help her. That any amount would do, and she gave me the Western Union information to get the money to her. And that I should not consider it me "giving" her the money, but rather her "borrowing" because she would pay it back when we met. Then, I got a bit suspicious, because I had said nothing of the sort. But, I continued to write to her, and started to think that maybe I could sell some stock and send her a little help. Well, about after about another week of writing, I received two identical emails back-to-back. I wrote to her asking for an explanation, and that is the last I've heard from her. Unfortunately, I do not have any of the emails she had written. I deleted them all from the Yahoo folder I had set up, and then deleted the folder. I wanted to send this in because there is another Olena (from Moscow) that is listed in your updates, and that email is very similar (almost exact) to the first email I had received. That update did not include pictures. I am including the ones I have here. Thanks again for this site. You are doing good things. And to you women who are doing this kind of thing (if you are even on this site reading), stop playing this game. Some of us men have been through a lot in previous relationships and don't need to have our hearts hurt anymore. Bill.
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