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June 13, 2001 - page 3

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Tatiana Botvinkina (Kremenchug, Ukraine)

Below is a copy of a message from Tatiana Botvinkina (honesty@sat.poltava.ua).  She is already listed on your page http://www.womenrussia.com/blackpage5.htm.

Letter

Darling Gary!
I'm glad to get your letter. Now I feel that we with Liza are not alone. Thank you for your understanding and willing to help  me to pay correspondence. I'm very grateful to you for it. I don't know what to tell you, I want about pleasant and good so that it'd  raise you mood and help to live.  Your letters help me much and I read them every day with great pleasure. There's much dullness in our life. But I hope that all will change to the better, As you appeared in our life. You mean much for me. And you're the best I with Liza have. I want to love you  both and to live only for you. It's my greatest wish and striving. I want us to be together, to be glad each each other every day and there'd be nothing more  beautiful in the world! I want it so much! I think once it'll happen. We deserved it and waited for it so long time. Dear! If you really want to help me with a payment of our correspondence, I will thankful to you. Transfer is better to do with system Western Union to my full name - Tatiana Botvinkina, town of Kremenchug, Poltava area, Ukraine. My adddress - 1905 str., 4-40. Our correspondence cost about 80$ in month. Next letter you must sent me cod transfer, your full name and sum. Darling Gary! I sincerely hope that  we with Liza will be so important in your life as you're in ours. That we'll be together once and forever and you'll need it forever as we. I want us to make you happy as well as you. Let it be just letters now only. But they mean so mush for me and keep me warm. I want you to know that I need nobody except you. and I'm not interested in other men. Now it's important that it'll be OK with us. Dear Gary, In my life I had no happiness long time.  But I believe in pure and honest relations with Loved person. Many men tried to use my weakness and loneliness  but I do not believe them and am afraid of them. But i always believed that there's a man with whom I can create strong family. I want to have cozy house.  I want to meet my Beloved one and to keep Love and honesty till the end. I want mutual pure feeling without lie and betraying. I want to have the man to who I can give my female tenderness. Sometimes my dreams seemed not  to  come true. But now I met you. I feel that in me the forgotten thoughts got to be alive with each of your letter. I need you.  I can only hope that your feelings are the same. I hug you tenderly. I wait for your letter
Yours Tanya and Liza


Tatyana Mikhailova (Tyumen, Russia)

I would like to add to your blacklist. It is the same story almost word for word, mum lives with her and grandfather picks mushrooms and aunt works in airport etc...etc... all the same (Elena Novikova, Svetlana Kashkova etc). I just wish I had seen your blacklist before sending off $1200 Western Union. I will chalk it up to experience I guess. She goes by Tatyana Mikhailova email tatyana_m@pochtamt.ru. I was weary about sending the money initially but never checked her out except for putting her name in the various search engines and nothing showed up. She requested to send money to:

Close Jaint Stock Company Bank "Diplomat"
Uritskogo st. 36, Tyumen, 625000 RUSSIA
Tatyana Mikhailova

Attached new pictures of her

John*


Tatyana Mochalova / Cupid Internet Club (Ekaterinburg, Russia) - a sequel of Alena Fedorovskaya scam

First I would like to say, thank you for this site. You have saved me $1850. My story is the same as others but with a different name. I would like to warn others about the same scam but with different names and companies. I was contacted by Tatyana Mochalova email address: Tatyana4Dreams@hotmail.com her letter was identical to Alena Fedorouskaya and the agency she used was Cupid Internet Club, Voreplova Str. 250, Index # 880075, Ekaterinburg, Russia. The account manager is Oksana Degtyareva and the President is Sergie Kruchinin. The picture is different. She has long strawberry blonde hair and claims to be 23.

Alan


Yelena Bibik (Almaty, Kazakhstan)

If you write to this girl, proceed with caution. She is a well known scam artist and tells a very sad story and can be seen on many sites. If you want letters, please feel free to write me jag1turner@yahoo.com. Never send these women money in cash or via Western Union, only send them a personal cheque as I did, just to get a letter back saying she couldn't cash it as she has no bank account. Does this tell you anything? I am enclosing a few photos of her and her address and telephone number for your information. Be cautious guys.

Bibik Yelena 
480009, Almaty 
Shevchenko str. 167, apt. 60 
Kazakhstan 
Home phone: 7-3272-42-19-44 
mobil phone 7-333-214-07-14

Email adresses: yelenabibik2001@yahoo.com; byelena@nursat.kz

A couple of websites she can be found on:

http://www.777happyline.com
http://yelenabibik.tripod.com/myphotos/yelena.htm

I included a few of her photos.

Jim Turner


Zanna - Amour of Ukraine

Obviously, the agency does not read the letters, they merely spit out the next letter, for money. I received the same letter twice, when asked about it in the next letter, no response at all. They use address ukramur@yahoo.com.

Letter with money request:

Hello Wayne,
I am sorry it took a while to write you back. I must admit I have been thinking of you every single minute of my day, wishing you were here with me that I don't have to write you to tell you how much I care but I could just turn to you and talk to you, hold your hand, hold you in my arms and just let you know how much I care. But it is so sad a half world do us apart and I wish God could help us to be together as soon as possible and that we could never be a part again, maybe in the distance but never in our hearts. I have no any ability to write you anymore because of my money position, I wish it could be different and I wouldn't have to be depends of such a trivial thing as a money in order to keep in touch with you till we are together. But unfortunatelly things are not always the way we want it to be and it makes me so frustrated to know that somewhere out there is a such good person are probably thinking of me and whom I care so much and not be able to write him just because I can afford it. Well, my dear, if you are still interesting about me, about being with me, about getting to know me close and someday to be together as a family than I would be very thankfull if you could pay through the agency for a of more months of correspondence with me until you come to me. Please, if it is possible for you, pay for our correspondence, because I it so hard for me to be a part from you and not be able to write you something from my heart. Please. My Dear, Lets get to know each other as soon as possible. Lets be best friends, and maybe if God smiles on us, and we look into each others eyes, and hearts and both feel the same magic, the same, romance and have  similar goals for the future-something special may develop between us. I would rather it be slow, not based on outward attraction only, but on becoming soulmates. Ok, I will be waiting for your letter, Take care and God bless you, Always yours,
Zanna

Men, we all know there is a genuine appeal to help a woman, BUT, the letters, ALL OF THEM, ask to pay to the agency, and not to the woman. Does that sound suspicious? I will help anyone who has more specific questions. 

Wayne Ferrare send to my3@prodigy.net
From San Francisco


Free domains at FreeServers.com

I believe your visitors should be made aware of the following and I hope you will post this information. There is a legitimate company, Freeservers.com, which offers free web hosting at the domain name level. Because of the nature of this business it is super easy for anyone to establish their own website which may or may not be legitimate itself. Simply, anyone may establish their own domain name with the rest of Freeserver's domain as part of the domain, e.g. "AgencyX.itgo.com" (*hint* the service is free because of Freeserver's banner advertisements so when checking out new dating/marriage sites you might look for these banners.)

I would advise all to treat all of the following domain names with suspicion and utilize extra caution when dealing with any of them. Report any abuses or suspected scams to Freeservers.com. The domains offered by Freeservers.com are:

freeservers.com
8m.com
8m.net
8k.com
4t.com
s5.com
itgo.com
iwarp.com
4mg.com
gq.nu
faithweb.com
tvheaven.com
freehosting.net
htmlplanet.com
scriptmania.com

I have noticed that some currently operating matchmaking services are utilizing the 8m.com, 8m.net, itgo.com and faithweb.com domains. Some may know of others.

So far I have been approached for money by Carmen Marriage Agency (using carmelita.4m.com domain) "Sense Agency" (using the sense.faithweb.com domain); and Cherry Orchard Marriage (using cherry.itgo.com and orchard.4mg.com) after beginning an initial correspondence with some of their clients. I saw one complaint listed here about Carmen but I haven't seen anyone complain about these latter two agencies.

Again, since at this point I have only been asked to pay for correspondence which for the most part is a legitimate request I cannot say for certain that any agency using these domains is fraudulent. (Perhaps my experience is still only limited is why. I suppose time will tell.)

My one experience with Carmen Marriage Agency so far has been frustrating as I have made repeated requests for my correspondents' postal address which is continuously ignored. Carmen did provide me with a detailed description of my "balance" however when I requested one after being informed that I had utilized my initial amount transferred. Carmen apparently doesn't even sell its clients addresses and one email from the manager regarding my questions hinted that it is "forbidden for the girls to provide this information." (Censorship in any form should not be tolerated. One should ask who is the "client" and shouldn't the so-called client always have a large say in dictating the terms of the relationship?)

Of course it is a mere whisper to be provided a false address or an address that does not match your correspondent. But it is a beginning by which eventually any fraud or lies will be revealed because upon any visit or by sending letters to the address which contains specific questions to be answered etc. this can be accomplished. So I advise always to request an address as you have mentioned. 

Frankly, there is no legitimate argument why an agency refuses to provide an address because even if you supplement your online communications via the post, due to the time and expense factors of this it is probably still going to be beneficial to use the agency's email services (not too mention translation and other ancillary services). And so there is really no economic harm that can come from providing the address. Likewise, no sincere woman would refuse to provide you her postal address if she was genuine and truly interested in really getting to know her correspondent. Sincere persons want to avail themselves of every avenue of communication.

Eduardo Leaton


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